I get fan mails. Yes I do! Here’s a really really beautifully written and ever-so-lovely one from Andy Arthur [/sarcasm]:
It’s nothing to do with your antics in the BBC and everything to do with the nasty message you posted in Deaf Wales you fucking piece of shit. That’s the first and last time you step on my toes professionally asshole.
I was invited to that group because I am trained in assisting disabled people into IT and I have experience in setting up online forums. I was in that group in a professional capacity you walking lump of excrescence and now you have fucked me up professionally all over fucking Wales. I am getting copies of your emails to those people libelling me and when I get them I am going to sue you to death you cunt.
This is not about stupid fucking websites any more you’ve damaged my image in Wales for no good reason.
I’m also going to contact your employer and ask him if you have been using companty property for the purpose of bullying Mervyn. I have in any case encouraged Mervyn to go to the police under the Prevention From Harassment
Act 1997.You’ve gone too far this time Jones and I’m going to teach you a lesson.
My “nasty” email he’s talking about is from the Deaf-Wales mailing list. The mailing list is for deaf people in Wales (and anyone that’s involved with deaf people/in deaf culture/deafness in any way whatsoever) to talk about anything affecting them in Wales. Andy is from Cornwall. Which isn’t in Wales. It’s in England. Nor is he Welsh.
It started when someone posted about the HEFB clause 14 (4)(9) and RNID to Deaf Wales. Andy posted a few emails telling people in Deaf-Wales that it’s irrelevant to them and that they should keep it on localised topic. A few people then posted to Deaf-Wales telling him that it is relevant since it would affect people in Wales and frankly it’s “their” mailing list. Andy is there as an invited guest (by one of the member - MM). Andy continue to tell people that they are “wasting” their time and to keep it localised
I then posted my email stating basically that the mailing list is for people living in Wales - it “belongs” to them, and the HEFB Bill will affect people in UK, which includes Wales and Welsh people are more than entitled to discuss whatever they wish, and that it’s not for an English person that don’t live in Wales to dictate what should posters in Deaf-Wales should talk about.
This is just like if I as a British bloke (or if you’re an Australian reading this I am aware the correct term is whining pommy bastard :-)) joined a mailing list for Australians and I then tell them that they should discuss this or that - I’ll get kicked out faster than the speed of light and what’s more I’ll agree with that kicking.
Hell, here’s one from the moderator of Deaf-Wales which say it better than me:
> So while we are all putting our rights on the line I think I have a right to ask that you keep the forum on topic.
No you do not have any right. Andy you do not even live in Wales, and I’m not sure where you profess to have this right from? Quite frankly I find some of your posts demeaning and patronising. You are not respecting those people who live in Wales to create the space they want to, and if you really must think you have the right to be here just to sit back and let it happen instead of jumping in at every possible opportunity. You do not know everything, despite the illusions of the contrary, and let people in Wales create their own space.
You did not create this group, thus don’t even know the intentions behind it. Yet you seem to be qualified to make all sorts of representations as to what this group is or is not. Since you do not live in Wales, you have little / no right to be here, and I will remove you if you’re causing disruption for the sake of it.
Sarah as a Welsh person living in Wales wanted to bring this issue to the group, so let her.
That’s basically what my email which was posted on Thursday January 17th, 2008 was about and what Andy is so…hmm…annoyed about…with me…for saying the same thing - but the moderator’s email was posted before mine (although I did not see it when I wrote my email - if I had I wouldn’t have bothered emailing since the above said it all)
The kicker? Much much later (a month!) and completely irrevelant to the above I posted to Deaf-UK-Tech (an wholly different mailing list on completely different topics) a wee joke about a new RNID member joining the list. Andy then posted to Deaf-UK-Tech attacking me for that and as group policy of the mailing list does not allow personal attacks, I emailed directly informing him that my email was plainly a joke, however for his benefit I would send another email advising that it was a joke just in case anyone else didn’t get it. I sent the another email to Deaf-UK-Tech as promised.
I should point out that while Deaf-UK-Tech is usually unmoderated but Andy’s emails to Deaf-UK-Tech are moderated due to the fact that it’s not the first time he have attacked other members of the group so I didn’t allow that one email through. I got the nasty email above as a reply as a result. It was sent on Friday March 21st 2008 - just over a month later from the events from Deaf-Wales…jeez what a long time to keep stewing over something…
Well all I can say is…if Andy is so professional and so experienced and so wiser blah blah as he claim to be…I fail see it above - it’s certainly not a professional email.
Finally for Mervyn - I’ve only ever engaged him in the sense of if he argue one side, I’ll argue another and vice versa - this isn’t “harassment” - it’s called an online debate and Mervyn (aka MM) does this with many many other people) - your last line in the email “You’ve gone too far this time Jones and I’m going to teach you a lesson.” could be considered to cause alarm - is more along the line of harassment really strictly speaking since it’s a threat against me.
Personally my concern is if Andy have done the same to anyone else and managed to frighten them - throwing out claims of suing and legal threats can look scary to anyone else after all. Please note that this is purely my own personal view and does not mean that he have done it to anyone else.
My advice to Andy? I suggest reading this article about controlling anger - it might help? Sending emails like that is just silly and not professional.
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Oh you did it babe, you did. Socked him one, well socked ‘em both one. May long your anger remain unfettered!
I’d save the holier than thous bleating JG, deaf-wales is part-run by Alison and we all know she hates my guts and Andy’s anyway. Have you tried a violin ? She got jealous because prior to me going there nobody cared about that site, the statistics prove it. I’ve had personal abuse aimed at me 24 hrs a day on UK deaf sites, (which are pretty pathetic lets face it), a number set up by you and your so-called ‘pals’. So I’m out of comment and your collective sites ? like it matters…….. they’ve tried everything from labeling me a discriminator and hater of deaf people to anti culture and even racist, then suggested some pathetic ‘mental state’ which is a bit below the belt even for your lot), it has all failed, (some might call that online bullying,it certainly fits the criteria
). As for that Australian twit he knows he doesn’t exist…. doesn’t like being ignored does he ? But he’s just a plain and simple nasty piece of work so deserves it. He will drag you down,it’s only matter of time…. Andy I am sure can speak for himself and will, you could I suppose adopt your usual ban on our comments (Grumpy does this to make themselves look good), albeit I could suggest this flies in the face of your own constant declaration “We never do this…” ho-hum…
As this blog is apparently about someone else, why drag me in ? I also think the rather pathetic attempt to suggest I am hiding my name online is rather childish too, it’s no different from you using Gwalgoffi surely ? SEE HEAR printed my name and town on their site 3 years ago, so it is old news. As you have notices MM carries further
(You could try ga-ga I suppose)…
MM,
Your first comment - erm…in case you’re not reading it correctly, the blog post isn’t about you - it’s about the email I received from Andy above.
Frankly, in other places where you claim you are being targeted with personal abuse - please point to anything by myself where I’ve hurled any personal abuse to you. It’s no use bleating that this or that happen. For example where you claim people tried to airbrush you as an racist - I assume this was from the Deaf-UK-Chat Yahoo mailing list - I do not control that list, I am merely just a member. Likewise for Alison. The moderator warned you for it and you left. This was of your own making. Like in all other places.
Your second comment - Gwallgofi is a name that I give to this website/blog. It’s not my name - you’re confusing a website name with my online name. You should read again in the post title:
Personal Attacks
Posted by: JGJones in deaf stuff, rants
It state clearly at title of the post who posted it. JGJones is based on my actual real name. There’s no hiding. Furthermore I’ve not suggested that you are “hiding” your name - in fact I did not drag you into it. I am merely just responding to comments that Andy made in his email to me where he mention you. I put in “(aka MM)” - so that anyone reading this and is from Deaf-Wales or others is aware who Mervyn is - after all like you said, you’re not hiding your name.
Thank you for posting this. It make me feel better. I have gotten same abuse from the same man. Really horrible threats that make me frightened. After a period of time I spoke to a friend and she got the same too and with support from each other we got back to posting.
Why do Andy do this to other people and how many others have got the same?
He is alway telling people he is professional and experienced but it is all a sham because he get nasty very quickly and insult people - he is no professional . I have complained about him.
He said he “have experience in setting up online forums” but if he truly does then he won’t insult and attack and threat other people.
I am sorry for not giving my name but I fear Andy what if he read this.
Hi MM! Do you actually have proof of anything you are coming out with; or are they assumptions via an over active imagination, perchance?
Hope you’re having a good Sunday.
Hey MM,
If I am a figment of your imagination, then what are you getting worked up about?
Your post raises an interesting question, if Joe as you claimed, dragged you into this discussion, and he never mentioned your name, and the post was clearly about someone else, are you and that someone else one and the same?
I received a simmilar e mail of abuse from this man with lots of threats. I suspect he has done this to quite a few people too. Not only in emails but intimidating people online as well. And from what has been written here there appears to be evidence supporting this. JG Jones should go to the Police and report this. Surely this type of e mail abuse is a crimminal offence ? Maybe report it to the ISP ? I was afraid to add my thoughts to this as i genuinely fear for my safety if my identity is revealed, but it is time this sort of behaviour is stopped. Would be interesting to see what the Police would have to say on the matter.
If there is going to be a witchunt, you’re well placed here with paranoids r us…. If I had a quid for every nasty aside and e-mail I had, I’d be sunning in the Bahamas now… ISP’s just call it flaming, the mod or owner can erase it, that’s what they are there for….get a thick skin or go somewhere else, it’s all you can do. You are aquainting online with fair play, it doesn’t ever happen. They are all clique’s and will do what they want…
this comment will self destruct in…. see, this is how it works.
You’re awfully defensive for a post that’s not about you MM.
Ironically Andy is fast to cry about “bullying online” and give links to bullying online sites etc.
At the end of the day - sending emails such as the one I’ve gotten is simply not on. You can defend all you want, but it does not and never will make you right if that’s what you’re trying to do. Andy sending such childish emails to me does not affect me if that’s what he is hoping for, but it does affect other people. It does frighten people when they see an email from someone swearing at them, calling them all the names under the moon and threatening legal things etc and ending in a threat. It would appear I’m not the first person to got such an email from Andy. I’m surprised at the number of people emailing me directly actually about this.
Such emails as Andy have done - It’s pathetic and childish and extremely unprofessional that’s what it is. And you’re actually defending that? Pathetic.
Lol you should see the e-mails I have had, by comparison you got a vicar’s request to a christening…[snip] Edited out the rest..it’s like a stuck record - you’re just repeating your earlier comments. I’m not interested in hearing the same thing again and again if you’ve already say it once. Once’s enough. It’s not about your emails, it’s not about you. You are extremely defensive over a post that isn’t even about you. Move on.
Bullying is simply just not acceptable. You are only arguing because you are friends with Andy. If it was from anyone else then you would not comment.
Furthermore one of your comment did not come on in here - it went into spam automatically by Akismet. It’s nothing to do with swearing. Ask Akismet why they think you’re a spammer as they filter all comments for me.
Keep digging, MM….
“When a man points a finger at someone else, he should remember that four of his fingers are pointing at himself.” Louis Nizer
Yes..and I love breaking hips with Andy too! And at our age, that’s the most we can hope for!
Hi MM
I did approach Askimet. We met in Soho, London, for a face to face chat. Them good old boys being so considerate of Deaf needs for a face to face. We discussed Andy’s declaration of love for Joe, and we agreed that it is not as amourous as you implied that it is.
And Askimet is far better looking than Andy is.
The irony actually is that, when Andy is bullying, you think he is being conciliatory. When someone else is conciliatory, you think they are bullying.
Gwallgofi - what an adorable fellow you are. I could shower you with a million & hugs kisses, for posting this little erm….treasure ( but I won’t in case your wife hits you with a rolling pin). All I have to do is mention “Gwallgofi” and a certain little cornish twerp soils himself silly!
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